Why there is no revenue sharing with Infolinks?

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Why there is no revenue sharing with Infolinks?

Hello, I wanted to add a revenue sharing option for members, with Infolinks (in-text ads) but I knew one problem was that every publisher needs to submit their site to them and wait for approval.. Then the infolinks code has a variable with the site ID and another with the publisher ID. It's different than AdSense where only the publisher id is needed to make an adsense revenue sharing site..

So when I receive one of Infolinks newsletter announcing that the site YouSayToo was now offering infolinks revenue sharing I contacted them to know what I can do to have the same thing on my sites..

Here's our exchange, if you don't want to read, I tell you the end: NOT POSSIBLE.

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Hello I'd like to do like yousaytoo.com and share infolinks revenue with my members at best-reviewer.com
How can I do?

Cheers,
James
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Dear James,

Thank you for writing in.
Please allow me to consult my colleagues regarding your latest query.
Either me or one of my colleagues will get back to you within the next 24 hours.
I thank you for your patience and understanding.

Sincerely,
Renata K
Account Executive
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Hi James,
Thanks you for your patience.

Please note, you would need to deactivate your Infolinks account and sign up for an entirely new Infolinks account via yousaytoo.com and it is not recommended to take such an action.

Additionally, this partnership is made to encourage new members to join Infolinks :)

I hope that you have found this email to be helpful.

Please let me know if you require additional assistance or have any other questions.
Have a lovely day.

Jamie M.
Senior Account Executive
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Hi, thank you for your answer but there is a misunderstanding.
My site is similar in some ways to yousaytoo and on my site i'd like to share infolinks revenue with my site's members.
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Hi James,
Thanks for writing back, and I apologize for the miscommunication.

For us to work on a future deal like Yousaytoo, we will need to gauge your traffic sources across the board. To do this, we will need for you to reintegrate your websites, such as X1, X2, and X3.

Please let me know if you require any assistance with the re-integration process and I will be happy to personally send you the codes for each of your sites.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

Sincerely,
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hi, i only need infolinks revenue sharing on best reviewer at the moment, i recently added your code to it. ecpm is ridiculous but offering another sharing option than adsense will be good news for my members.
it's a pity rev sharing isnt as easy as in adsense.
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Hi James,
Thanks for writing back.

At this time we do not offer a revenue sharing program like Adsense.

For us to move forward, we will need to evaluate all of your sources across the board.

Please note, we have added additional features to Infolinks such as Related Tags, Tag Clouds, and the Search Widget which has dramatically helped increase our Publisher's revenue!

If you need any further assistance with the re-integration process, please let me know.
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I don't mean the adsense revenue sharing API, I mean simply chaging the adsense publisher id in the ad code is enough to do revenue sharing, that's what I do since 2006, I don't use their API.

So for infolinks revenue sharing to work I would only have to change the:
infolink_pid and infolink_wsid variables in my html code to those of my participating members.

That would be very easy, I would tell them to add best-reviewer.com to their infolinks account and get their infolink_wsid for the site.

But the problem is that maybe infolinks will not approve best-reviewer.com in their accounts since it is already in mine.

But if you can accept my site in several infolinks user accounts, then there would be no problem, I can take care of explaining them how to get their 2 variables id on your site.

If you don't want, ok, just tell me it's not possible at this time, I can search for other in-text ads networks such as kontera or chitika linx, I can ask them if they want to allow revenue sharing for my members. It's not a problem honestly I'll still stay with you for my other sites (I'll work on integrating infolinks on more of my sites in the future, just not now)

Cheers,
James
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Hi James,
Thank you for your reply.

Would you be interested in our Affiliate Program?

I would be happy to send you information about the Infolinks Affiliate Program.

I look forward to your reply.

Sincerely,
Jamie M.
Senior Account Executive
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Hi, I would be interested in your affiliates program only in the context of revenue sharing, I won't write to my members about infolinks just for nothing, it's not interesting.

But that's fine, I don't understand why you don't allow to do revenue sharing just simply like adsense does, but I suppose you must have some reasons.

It's up to you really, it was just a question, you say no, I'll ask others. I've just asked you first, that's all.

Cheers,
James
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Hi James,

Thanks for writing back.

At this time we do not have a revenue sharing program available to the public.

As noted previously, For us to work on a future deal like Yousaytoo, we will need to gauge your traffic sources across the board. To do this, we will need for you to reintegrate your websites, such as X1, X2, and X3.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions.
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Needless to say, I haven't replied more, ok they don't want, it's fine, no problem..

I'm not going to put infolinks on the sites they mention, the earnings are not interesting enough for me to find back the pages and add their code, then wait for their approval or denial, I really can't be bothered..
If they don't want to make it simple like adsense does, then so be it..

I'll be contacting Kontera and Chitika about this when I feel like doing it, or better yet, if you could ask them and let me know their answer, at least I won't have to deal with the non-sense emails.. It's getting tiring to try to do revenue sharing with companies that are still stuck in pre-adsense times, it's incredible.. :-)

Why does infolinks need to check anything before allowing me to share revenue with my members? What's the difference? I already have put infolinks on best reviewer, they can look at the stats and decide from that, I didn't ask to do revenue sharing on any other sites for now.. If they check their stats on my best reviewer they will see like me how low the eCPM (RPM) is, it's really ridiculous..
I wanted to add this option for you members, not really for the money you'll earn, but just so that the little additional money can go in your paypal account, unlike adsense's money.

Paypal money is useful to me because I pay many things online, so that I don't have to use my credit card, I never transfert money from paypal to my bank account, I always use it to pay other people online, for jobs or for service such as web hosting and buying things online at electronic shops or ebay..

Anyway, so, no revenue sharing with infolinks for now.. Maybe later they'll change their mind, wouldn't be surprising, because it makes sense, don't you think?
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What surprises me is that they did not understand the whole revenue sharing system. Plus, the extra review thing is totally insane as their ads are still in this website, whether it is revenue sharing or not. :)

Yes, they are a bit control-freak.. It's ok, at least I have given them a chance, I won't do everything they said just so that at the end they might say no.. Since they don't want I'll ask Kontera in 2012 for sure. I'll report on the forum about their answer..

For the month of november here are the stats from infolinks:

*** Daily Average ***
Pages with infolinks ads on them: 2,882
Ad clicked: 36
CTR: 1.28%
Page RPM: $0.36 (also called eCPM before in AdSense)
Money earned per day: $1.01

So from those stats I can calculate the average CPC: $1.01 / 36 = $0.03

You can go in your adsense account and compare your RPM and CPC you'll see that's pretty low. For CPC on AdSense I know it can be as low as $0.01 depending on your niche, but personally I consider a CPC of $0.1 to be the minimum correct and for the RPM I always try to get it to $5 on AdSense, by trying to optimize the CTR to an healthy number, by playing with ad placement. But with infolinks the ad placement is limited to something a bit similar to section targeting in adsense. In fact you can tell infolinks to display in-text links only on some parts of the site. I'd need to check in the source code but I think I might already have implemented it to display only in the content part of pages, don't quote me on that, I'm having doubts right now since I know I can be lazy at times :-)

So, yes the CTR is pretty low compared to adsense with 1.28% but the very horrible thing is the RPM at $0.36 for 1,000 impressions of page with ads..

Thank you so much James, we really appreciate every effort you are making in order to make this site more profitable for us, so appreciated. Could you please update me about your other sites, I maybe interested to join those as well.

Hello, I don't have any to recommend right now, it's better to stick with this one and the future ones, erase the past, but I'll make new ones and I'll communicate about it, if you want look at right column and put your email in the "Get my emails!" box, so that you'll be added to my mailing list you're sure that I will contact anyone in this mailing list about my future sites when they are done.

They are not going to build themselves, so I have to do it, and they may come soon in 2012 or before, who knows really.. In fact if I get some motivation, a new site similar to best reviewer can be opened in just 3 days or 4, about that.. But by working normally, that is several hours per day. Just need to find some motivation I know it comes and go so maybe it'll come back soon that's it. Plus I have other sites to do which are not related to adsense revenue sharing or english language..

Also, several times those past few days, best reviewer and other have had problems because all my sites are using the same mysql database server and so it reaches the maximum connections limit. Adding more sites in this manner will only add to the problem, I need to fix this in some ways.

Hi James, its really amazing to know what you really have to do to keep all of this working, the effort and time that you spend, and all of that is not preventing you from replying to us which is really appreciated from you, wish I have any idea of Sql to help but I believe I have to wish you all the luck to solve those issue and hope you all the best in your life and business as well.
If you allow me and as an appreciation I would like to write an article about you and your work on my own website and my Hubpages account, if you could mail me some details that will be great (qasim.alhammad@icciev.com)
with all my respect,
ICCIEV

Hello, you know I'm unemployed, so I have 24h to do anything, 7 days a week.. It's mainly because I'm lazy that I take so long to do anything.. As for the server problems, they come and go, but if I was serious about a site I would simply take one dedicated server for one site and then make sure its traffic grows to a maximum. Instead I have all my sites on 2 VPS and 1 dedicated server, and all are using the same mysql server.. That's a bit stupid because it means as soon as one of the sites grows too much it will impact the performance of others, so that no one site can really grow a lot. And if that happens, I will have to move and do something about it quickly in a rush instead of planning it way before..
But that's my way of doing things, since I'm alone, no boss and no customers, I don't put any pressure on myself, it's good most of the time, except when I think about it and imagine how much better things could be if I was working "regularly" like everyone else in an office job.. But thanksfully I don't think often about that :-)

About the interview, that's a good idea, if you want, simply send me your questions either by email (contact form) or directly here on the forum and I'll send it back to you after writing some silly answers. I know of another person, from Rupam from India who did the same, you can search James Colin interview on Google.. But simply send me a few questions first, it will make one more article for your site, which is always good whatever the topic is about :-)

For the month of december, the stats from Infolinks are better:
Daily Average 2,227 ad impressions, 39 clicks, 1.77% CTR
Pays $0.67 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $1.49
In november it was $1 per day, now $1.5, nice daily tip.

Ya splitting up a $1 or $1.50 a day between everyone is not worth it. We'd have to all wait 1000 years for payout. While I like all the revenue I can get, the site owner needs a way to help pay the bills too.

Well I wouldn't mind sharing $1 even 50/50% with members who generate the ad impressions. But Infolinks doesn't want :-) As you can read in the facebook comments, there is Tammy from Infolinks who told me she can blablabla.. Well I've sent her a message at the start of last december (at the date of the conversation via facebook comments, 4th december) and got no answer, so really Infolinks is good only when you don't want anything else than display ads and get paid. Which is good already :-)

Well don't worry, I don't despair of one day having the motivation to contact Kontera about revenue sharing..

For the month of january, the stats from Infolinks are about the same as december, $0.02 more per day:
Daily Average 2,271 ad impressions, 41 clicks, 1.81% CTR
Pays $0.64 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $1.51

OK, the RPM is really low, but my problem I see is this shameful 2,271 ad impressions per day, it should be over 10,000 minimum, please my Google do something about it, thanks!

For the month of february, the stats from Infolinks are less than the two previous months:
Daily Average 2,397 ad impressions, 42 clicks, 1.76% CTR
Pays $0.57 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $1.39

This is without any revenue sharing, so it's the maximum one can get with this site..

but I know that the ad placement is so ugly, that the CTR of infolinks has decreased a little.
Things will change for sure, since adsense is now looking like it's out of the site, so some web real estate is soon to be freed up for other ad networks, that is if they don't reply with anything positive..

Updates for March, April, May and June are coming now, but note that towards the end of march I have split some of the content from Best Reviewer to the new site Best Reviewers.. In particular, all salary pages are now only on the new site..
But anyway, the traffic hasn't suffered too much on Best Reviewer, it has unfortunately stayed about the same, not much improvement either despite the fact that the amount of content is growing daily.. It seems Google is capping the traffic at around 2,000 unique visitors a day, but that's another story, here in this thread I report only the earning figures from Infolinks and they have improved slightly, but since they were so low, even a slight improvement is noticeable..

March
Daily Average 2,341 ad impressions, 41 clicks, 1.79% CTR
Pays $0.77 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $1.79

April
Daily Average 1,659 ad impressions, 37 clicks, 2.25% CTR
Pays $0.98 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $1.62

May
Daily Average 1,893 ad impressions, 44 clicks, 2.34% CTR
Pays $1.03 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $1.94

June
Daily Average 2,270 ad impressions, 58 clicks, 2.60% CTR
Pays $0.91 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $2.06

Here are the stats for July and August..
Note that from now on (they announced it in september) Infolinks doesn't show the number of clicks anymore, so that nobody can know how low they pay per click.. Plus they now base their eCPM value on the number of impressions of a mouseover, not on the number of times an infolink link was displayed on our pages, so of course that's 2 advantages for them:
1. Can't see clicks so you don't know how low they CPC is
2. eCPM value calculated on how many times a link has been rolled over with the mouse and not on how many times you displayed pages with infolinks on it, so of course the eCPM value is greatly increased, artificially..

Why they didn't think of that before, that's the real question.. :-)

Anyway, we don't care, we know infolinks is low paying like Kontera and others, we use them because we will take any money that come our way, no matter how little money it is..

July
Daily Average 2,535 ad impressions, 59 clicks, 2.34% CTR
Pays $0.79 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $2.01

August
Daily Average 2,063 ad impressions, 52 clicks, 2.47% CTR
Pays $0.99 for 1,000 ad impressions, so daily earnings on average is $2.04

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